Star Wars

[woodface]

I didn't expect anything from the movie and it turned out quite alright.

The one thing that bugs me is Padmé death. It fraks up my knowledge of canon. Didn't Luke once ask Leia about their mother and she replied that she was always sad? I thought Padmé remarried and died when Leia was still very young. Or am I dreaming this? I see why she has to die in this plot, but the blanks I filled in in the origina lseries just do not seem to match with what they show here. In my head, Vader didn't know about Padmé's pregnancy. She hid it from him. Of course if he did know, then yeah, he probably has to believe she and the babies are dead for it to work. Still... am I dreaming this? Or is Lucas going to make a new edition of the trilogy yet again to cut the scenes at are no longer canon now?

But in the end, the movie is HEAPS better than the first two. Which really isn't all that hard considering how bad they are. Anakin was a little less annoying (although I just can not warm up to the actor). Padmé had nothing but to be pregnant. I love the clones, really I do. Can I have my own clone army, please? Yoda kicked ass. OMG, the scene where they destroy all the Jedi was just... I'm not sure what the word is, but it nearly had me crying. Especially when Anakin walks into that room with the younglins and that little boy comes out of hiding and asks for help and then you see Anakin switch on his lightsaber. Gods. Just... *sighs* Poor Yoda.

Dude, Obi-Wan should have just kicked Anakin in that lava stream. While I adore Darth Vader in the original trilogy, I just can not like Anakin. Bah.

Getting in the movie was an adventure too. I was going to meet with my sister there at 16:30. I got there half an hour early and bought my ticket (she had told me not to buy for them too so I didn't). I was keeping an eye on the seats. They were playing the movie twice at 17:00 and once at 17:30. Only one of those (at 17:00) was a digital version (the one I bought a ticket for). It seemed most of the sessions had attracted very few people. Still 450 seats free in both versions at 17:00 so I don't worry about them not getting any seats. Until it's suddenly 16:30, my sisters hasn't shown up yet and in five minutes time both sessions at 17:00 are full up. Major freak out, of course my sister her mobile is turned off. Then it seems the screening I was going to watch is suddenly no longer in the room it says on my ticket. When my sister shows up, I'm like "dude, there are no more tickets and only a few left for 17:30!" Apparently the digital projector broke and they needed to bring the two sessions together. It was no problem though, I could go to the 17:00 one or the 17:30 one, whichever I preferred and my sister bought tickets for 17:30. Strangely enough, while the girl claimed there were no digital screenings anymore, we still ended up seeing a digital one. And dude, this movie was anything but full. I think they just didn't have a big enough audience and so they decided to show it in just one room instead of two and made up some lame excuse. Apparently all screenings for the rest of the evening had already been sold out though.

Ugh my puter is slow.

Comments

[liminalliz.livejournal.com]

I guess either Leia felt her through the force or she remembers Mrs. Bail Organa. *will re-write this in fic, i think*

And YEAH! I love that we HATE Anakin and LOVE Darth Vader. wtf?!?!

I can't wait to see this film tonight. LA!!!

[woodface]

But it's more than just that one conversation. Just the whole response of Vader to Leia and Luke. It just doesn't make sense. Or is that me?

Heh, the actor is just... flat. I have no sympathy for him. At least he is not as annoying as in the second movie.

Hee! Hope you enjoy it. It's a lot more in the line of the older movies.

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

That one conversation is the real problem. Vader's response to Leia and Luke, I'm okay with.

It serves Palpatine's purposes for Vader to believe he killed Padmé outright, and assume that the baby (and he doesn't know that should be "babies," either) died with her. It wouldn't surprise me if Palpatine knew about them for years. When he couldn't keep it from Vader any longer after Luke started making a name for himself in the rebellion, he used it to his advantage, to bind Vader that much more tightly.

[woodface]

*nods* You're right. Palpatine letting Vader believe that makes sense. But I believe Vader did mention something to Luke about his mother and Obi-Wan being right to keep them from him. Or did he just mention Obi-Wan? I would have to see the movie again to really make sure. I just know that Padmé's death makes no sense to me in regards to the original series. Unless Lucas means to make yet another version and delete those scenes.

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

"So...you have a twin sister. Obi-Wan was right to hide her from me. Your feelings have now betrayed her too." No mention of mom.

I have a couple different theories for reconciling Padmé's death. None of them can really satisfy me, but I'll be posting them later anyway, FWIW.

[woodface]

Ah *nods* Okay. Hrm, I still say it doesn't make sense though *g* He should have sat down and watched his own movies again before making this one.

[chiroho.livejournal.com]

Leia definitely tells Luke that she remembers very little of her mother, and I thought that her mother died when she was very young. I remember the sad thing too, and very beautiful. So this does seem to break that canon.

And yes, I always thought that she was supposed to have hidden her pregnancy from Anakin.

I did wonder how Palpatine managed to order the clones to kill all the Jedi though, because they've been under Jedi leadership for the past three years since "Attack of the Clones". It's just strange that they suddenly obeyed him.

And yes, that room with Anakin and the younglings was disturbing.

Yes, I agree Obi-Wan should have killed Anakin. He was stupid not to - though that seems to have been his one bad decision in the movie.

I did like how they brought back Chewbacca, and Captain Antilles, and Governer Tarkin - though the fact that they were already constructing the Death Star seemed weird. It's going to take 20 years to finish?

Overall, a good movie, though still nothing on ESB which has to be my favourite.

[woodface]

Glad to hear I'm not seeing things because no one else with whom I went to see the movie seemed to have any problems with it. Although, Youri did say he remembered the scene with Luke and Leia too.

The clone thing makes sense though. They are probably made to be loyal to the republic. It makes sense, IMHO, that they would listen to any order given to them. But it was sad, yeah. *sighs*

*nods* I love the little nods towards the original trilogy. Heh and that Yoda is such good friends with the Wookies.

[chiroho.livejournal.com]

Glad to hear I'm not seeing things because no one else with whom I went to see the movie seemed to have any problems with it.

Going to have to go back and watch that part of RotJ and see what happens.

They are probably made to be loyal to the republic.

Else it was Palpatine who orchestrated them created in the first place, and it's some sort of conditional thing that they were indoctrinated with. Anything is possible.

Yoda is such good friends with the Wookies.

Given how sceptical Han is of the Jedi, obviously it's not something Chewie ever spoke to him about. ;)

[woodface]

Else it was Palpatine who orchestrated them created in the first place, and it's some sort of conditional thing that they were indoctrinated with. Anything is possible.

That could very well be true. Or he just knew about them being made and took advantage of it?

Given how sceptical Han is of the Jedi, obviously it's not something Chewie ever spoke to him about. ;)

*snickers* Nope!

[chiroho.livejournal.com]

Or he just knew about them being made and took advantage of it?

It's certainly something of an open question, if not an actual plot hole.

[woodface]

Actually, there are some hints about it. First of all you have the fact that a Jedi knew about the planet and erased it from the archives. It seems to suggest that was done by Count Dooku, probably because Palpatine told him to do so. But did Palpatine order the army? I think it was that one Jedi who ordered it for the republic and Palpatine found out, had the Jedi killed and probably decided to use it for himself.

[chiroho.livejournal.com]

Someone was saying somewhere else that it was another Jedi who ordered the army, but I'm guessing Palpatine found out and decided to use it for himself, as well as making sure certain orders were ingrained in their subconscious.

[woodface]

Er, I just said it was another Jedi too =oP

[chiroho.livejournal.com]

Sorry, was saying that someone else said the same thing.

ok, i know this is soooo behind-the-times, but...

[angst-angel.livejournal.com]

Would you explain the planet bit to me again? I am such a bad SW fan... *g*

Re: ok, i know this is soooo behind-the-times, but...

[woodface]

The planet they made the clones on used to be registered in the Jedi Archives. When Obi-Wan went looking for it, he couldn't find any information. Yoda suggested that it had been wiped from the records. The onyl way to it to be wiped out, is if a Jedi from inside the temple erased it.

Re: ok, i know this is soooo behind-the-times, but...

[angst-angel.livejournal.com]

Ah. Thanks, bunny. :)

[fried-flamingo.livejournal.com]

First of all should point out that I am not at all coherent as I've just drank a jug of Cosmopolitan. Secondly I went to see Sith on Thurs and for the first time in years (since the first moment I truly appreciated Empire) a Star Wars movie gave me the shivers.

I have thoughts. Trust me, I do. They are just very foggy and cranberry flavoured at the moment. I'm setting myself the goal of sunday to actually post my reaction to Sith in my LJ, but in the meantime;

OMG, the scene where they destroy all the Jedi was just... I'm not sure what the word is, but it nearly had me crying.

Heartbreaking? Thats how I felt. Esecally the yound paduan who jumps out when Senator Organa arrives at the temple. You know he's a redshirt and ultimately his attempt to defend the temple is in vain but there's still this flicker of hope that you have ::sigh::


Also the last shot!! Such obvious foreshadowing but done so very, very well!

[woodface]

Oh gods, yes. For one brief moment I thought that maybe that padawan would be able to escape with Organa only to have him shot down as well. So sad :(

[fried-flamingo.livejournal.com]

For one brief moment I thought that maybe that padawan would be able to escape with Organa only to have him shot down as well. So sad :(

Padawan. Yes! Thats how you spell it. God I really am drunk.

and yes for a moment I was thinking 'Ok who could this be from the original 3 movies'... then its clear that we're just getting set up for more tragedy.

[splash-the-cat.livejournal.com]

Can I have my own clone army, please?

NO.

[woodface]

What? Why not? *wails*

[livilla.livejournal.com]

I KNEW that bit would be frakked up! I knew it! Nice one, George.

*need to see this movie soon*

[woodface]

It's dumb, if he had bothered to rewatch his own frakking movies before making this one he might have remembered.

[livilla.livejournal.com]

Gah, I know! *headdesk*

[callista1159.livejournal.com]

Hey!

Kinda mixed feeling about the newer trilogy in general, though this last one hit me hardest. I was already to mock it thoroughly and then they showed the killing of the younglings - I was nearly sick. I'm not sure what it is, but baby-killing makes me react in such a violent way. *shudders*. And the Jedi-slaughter, too - thoroughly tragic.

I felt a bit sorry for Natalie Portman, though, she had a rubbish storyline!

As for continuity, yeah, I had all the same issues - I'm such and original!SW junkie :) I was sure Padme hung around with the kiddies for a while, after what Leia said in RotJ. And go the wookies! Woo!

But yeah, the youngling-killing... I wish I could stop picturing it.

[woodface]

*nods* Anything of the new trilogy that doesn't match the old one to me means the new trilogy is flawed. Heh, but Lucas wouldn't be above remaking parts of the old trilogy to make them work. *shudders*

The whole Jedi-slaughter was just haunting. Esp after playing KotOR which for some reason made this more vivid.