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woodfaceGah, okay. I just narrowly avoided making this long post but now I stumbled on another anti-ship icon (I am really getting way too insulted by these) and now I got to rant.
I went to OS just because I was curious on how they respond to the ship in LC but got distracted by such topics as "Does Jack trust Sam?" WTF?
I wonder what show they are watching because according to OS Jack doesn't trust Sam anymore in S7. Yeah, I really wonder what show they are watching. So hear are my thoughts of the complete development of Sam/Jack (in ever aspect) in S7.
Professional level
That lack of trust is sourly missing in what I have seen this season. Actually, it's the complete opposite. Ever since the first episode have we seen Jack put a lot more responsibilities on Sam's shoulders. He is really starting to prep her for her own command and it shows. A lot of times he has left her to be the judge of things. I think in a way this has to do with Jack starting to feel his own age. More and more is Sam being trusted to do what has to be done. As always, he trusts her judgement. What struck me in Grace was how Jack represented Sam's faith in herself. I'd say that those idiots who claim Jack doesn't trust Sam anymore are way off. Of course, that doesn't mean that Jack isn't worried about her but at the same time, you see that he is proud of her too. Evolution really showed that. There is a new ease between them as Sam is starting to understand what it is like to be in command.
Friendship
I think the first half of the season continues the friendship that has developped in S6. It's still tentative when it comes to anything personal but they have really falling into that "old married couple" routine. I esp love Evolution, Grace, Death Knell and Chimera to prove this. We're starting to see something new here, a certain peace that has settled between them. Esp after Grace. Jack has decided he'll give Sam the time she needs. And while I'm not jumping about Pete, I love that it has taken away some of the tension between Sam and Jack as friends. Suddenly, Sam dares to open up, to let herself rely on someone and to accept comfort. That wouldn't have happened without Pete, I think. And while they're not best friends, I think they know that the other is there no matter what.
Romance
Okay, first of all. Sam. Is. Not. A. Lovesick. Puppy. Gah!!! Come on, people. Seven seasons of pent up tension, of sucking it in and finally at the end of S7 Sam shows emotions and she's a lovesick puppy. Hear me groan. She's being human, nothing more. She realised there is more in life than work, she's opening up as a person, as a character and because of it she's a lovesick puppy. Sam has always been the one to hold back, to keep distance and to keep them following the regulations. Jack knows that and respects it so he lets her set the pace. And finally, she's starting to open up. It has improved their friendship and made it more important but I think LC was a turnabout. We have seen them in life/death situations before but Sam is different now and seeing Jack sacrifice himself once more has made Sam come to some conclusions. I think she has finally accepted her feelings for Jack and while Grace made her wan to get over them, I think LC showed her she won't be able to do that. So yeah, I'm optimistic about S8. If they ignore this, there will be hell to pay ;o)
But seriously, what is up with the Sam bashing? Geez! I don't know why all frustrations must be dumped on Sam's head. And mostly using arguments that I just can not see in the series. Maybe I'm blind because I love her so much. But come on, she has never had any "unprofessional behaviour" as they like to put it when it comes to Jack. Well okay, one exception; Lost Paradise. Hmmmm, I do realise this all has a Sam POV. Maybe when I feel up to it, I'll do a Jack one ;o)
Ow yeah, one more thing. Jack didn't want to talk to Sam in LC. But I think there was a completely different reason than him not trusting her with personal info *rolls eyes*. Jack just didn't want her to take his confessions or talk as if he would never come back. I don't think he wanted a confession about her feelings from her for the same reasons. He had troubles talking to her, yes. But he just wanted her to stay with him. Nothing more, just her companionship. Dude, how much do I love that scene?
Yeah, I really should stay away from OS.
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mrv3000, have you giving the OTP icon any thoughts? ;o)
I went to OS just because I was curious on how they respond to the ship in LC but got distracted by such topics as "Does Jack trust Sam?" WTF?
I wonder what show they are watching because according to OS Jack doesn't trust Sam anymore in S7. Yeah, I really wonder what show they are watching. So hear are my thoughts of the complete development of Sam/Jack (in ever aspect) in S7.
Professional level
That lack of trust is sourly missing in what I have seen this season. Actually, it's the complete opposite. Ever since the first episode have we seen Jack put a lot more responsibilities on Sam's shoulders. He is really starting to prep her for her own command and it shows. A lot of times he has left her to be the judge of things. I think in a way this has to do with Jack starting to feel his own age. More and more is Sam being trusted to do what has to be done. As always, he trusts her judgement. What struck me in Grace was how Jack represented Sam's faith in herself. I'd say that those idiots who claim Jack doesn't trust Sam anymore are way off. Of course, that doesn't mean that Jack isn't worried about her but at the same time, you see that he is proud of her too. Evolution really showed that. There is a new ease between them as Sam is starting to understand what it is like to be in command.
Friendship
I think the first half of the season continues the friendship that has developped in S6. It's still tentative when it comes to anything personal but they have really falling into that "old married couple" routine. I esp love Evolution, Grace, Death Knell and Chimera to prove this. We're starting to see something new here, a certain peace that has settled between them. Esp after Grace. Jack has decided he'll give Sam the time she needs. And while I'm not jumping about Pete, I love that it has taken away some of the tension between Sam and Jack as friends. Suddenly, Sam dares to open up, to let herself rely on someone and to accept comfort. That wouldn't have happened without Pete, I think. And while they're not best friends, I think they know that the other is there no matter what.
Romance
Okay, first of all. Sam. Is. Not. A. Lovesick. Puppy. Gah!!! Come on, people. Seven seasons of pent up tension, of sucking it in and finally at the end of S7 Sam shows emotions and she's a lovesick puppy. Hear me groan. She's being human, nothing more. She realised there is more in life than work, she's opening up as a person, as a character and because of it she's a lovesick puppy. Sam has always been the one to hold back, to keep distance and to keep them following the regulations. Jack knows that and respects it so he lets her set the pace. And finally, she's starting to open up. It has improved their friendship and made it more important but I think LC was a turnabout. We have seen them in life/death situations before but Sam is different now and seeing Jack sacrifice himself once more has made Sam come to some conclusions. I think she has finally accepted her feelings for Jack and while Grace made her wan to get over them, I think LC showed her she won't be able to do that. So yeah, I'm optimistic about S8. If they ignore this, there will be hell to pay ;o)
But seriously, what is up with the Sam bashing? Geez! I don't know why all frustrations must be dumped on Sam's head. And mostly using arguments that I just can not see in the series. Maybe I'm blind because I love her so much. But come on, she has never had any "unprofessional behaviour" as they like to put it when it comes to Jack. Well okay, one exception; Lost Paradise. Hmmmm, I do realise this all has a Sam POV. Maybe when I feel up to it, I'll do a Jack one ;o)
Ow yeah, one more thing. Jack didn't want to talk to Sam in LC. But I think there was a completely different reason than him not trusting her with personal info *rolls eyes*. Jack just didn't want her to take his confessions or talk as if he would never come back. I don't think he wanted a confession about her feelings from her for the same reasons. He had troubles talking to her, yes. But he just wanted her to stay with him. Nothing more, just her companionship. Dude, how much do I love that scene?
Yeah, I really should stay away from OS.
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mrv3000, have you giving the OTP icon any thoughts? ;o)
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Date: 2004-03-21 12:38 am (UTC)*swats Jara*
just because I was curious
BAD SQUISHY! BAD!
on how they respond to the ship in LC but got distracted by such topics as "Does Jack trust Sam?" WTF?
Turn away now. Or back a few hours ago...whenever you posted this.
It's...it's like a Jack/Daniel shipper going to samandjack to see how S/J shippers responded to the Jack/Daniel elevator scene!
BAD SQUISHY.
Sam bashing because she is in the way of the OTP! Not unlike Daniel bashing from other areas.
Nutsos. All of them! Nutters!
Of course, that kind of discussion *does* seem to temporarily keep people from discussing their latest menstrual flow and/or orgasm.
Wait. I'm getting groups confused.
These are insane waters that we swim in.
PS: Say mrv3000, have you giving the OTP icon any thoughts? ;o)
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Whoops. That was only about 3 months ago, right?
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Date: 2004-03-21 01:28 am (UTC)Meep!
BAD SQUISHY! BAD!
*hangs head in shame* Sowwy =o(
It's...it's like a Jack/Daniel shipper going to samandjack to see how S/J shippers responded to the Jack/Daniel elevator scene!
Techinically OS says they are for the whole team and there are some shippers around too. I just wonder how the hell they survive in there though. I was just curious about reactions (god knows why).
BAD SQUISHY.
I KNOW!! *heads droops even more*
Sam bashing because she is in the way of the OTP! Not unlike Daniel bashing from other areas.
*sighs* Btw, are you implying Daniel is in the way of SJ OTP? ;o)
Of course, that kind of discussion *does* seem to temporarily keep people from discussing their latest menstrual flow and/or orgasm.
Well that is a *huge* plus.
Wait. I'm getting groups confused.
Oh whoops. Damn you and sucking me in with your logic!
These are insane waters that we swim in.
*snerks* Well they do hold you *smiles sweetly*
That was only about 3 months ago, right?
I tihnk a month or something ;o)
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Date: 2004-03-21 01:44 am (UTC)I hate that place, I want to throw things just thinking about it. It's a bashers paradise.
I went to OS just because I was curious on how they respond to the ship in LC but got distracted by such topics as "Does Jack trust Sam?" WTF?
lol, if he didn't trust her I'd be a tad worried that they went out into the field together on a regular basis, supposedly having each other's backs! You can't work as a military team together for 7 years and not establish a deep level of trust. I don't know how they can even ask that question.
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Date: 2004-03-21 01:47 am (UTC)Dude! Right on!
lol, if he didn't trust her I'd be a tad worried that they went out into the field together on a regular basis, supposedly having each other's backs! You can't work as a military team together for 7 years and not establish a deep level of trust. I don't know how they can even ask that question.
So agree! I really was wondering what show they were watching. Jack has been giving her so much responsibilities in S7, we should be worried if he didn't trust her with them!
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Date: 2004-03-21 07:43 am (UTC)See, I can say I'm a short, pink duck...
and there are some shippers around too. I just wonder how the hell they survive in there though.
Poor schmoes.
I was just curious about reactions (god knows why).
Heh.
*sighs* Btw, are you implying Daniel is in the way of SJ OTP? ;o)
So very easy to come away with that impression when you read the nutters from a different place. Although, I have to admit there haven't been any "Daniel is the anti-Christ"-type posts in a looooong time. Either that or I just don't pay much attention nowadays.
Well that is a *huge* plus.
*shudders*
To the tune of Beethoven's 5th:
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares nobody cares nobody cares.
Nobody cares nobody cares nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
Nobody frick-in' caaaaaaares!
Oh whoops. Damn you and sucking me in with your logic!
I was being logical? *g*
*snerks* Well they do hold you *smiles sweetly*
*does the backstroke*
Hmm?
I tihnk a month or something ;o)
Heh heh.
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Date: 2004-03-21 11:42 am (UTC)*gasp* You mean you aren't?
Although, I have to admit there haven't been any "Daniel is the anti-Christ"-type posts in a looooong time. Either that or I just don't pay much attention nowadays.
Hmmm, I normally just avoid any kind of people who post anti-anyone things so I wouldn't know.
To the tune of Beethoven's 5th:
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares nobody cares nobody cares.
Nobody cares nobody cares nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
Nobody frick-in' caaaaaaares!
*listens* *applauds* More more!
I was being logical? *g*
I know! Surprising, huh? ;o)