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woodfaceFirst of all; Bra'tac/Daniel all the way, baby. He was so oggling the Daniel!flesh.
Threads felt like fanfic. Seriously, every little bit felt familiar. I wish they didn't drop the Sam feeling awkward about Pete thing on us out of nowhere. Some sort of continuity would have been nice. Then again, that would have just been fuel for the stalker crazies amongst us. Either way, here are some thoughts on the Sam/Pete plot in the episode.
It felt awkward, like TPTB taking a piss at him. On the other side, I'm grateful they didn't make a whole tantrum out of the break up. Pete didn't stand a chance when he met Jacob. The "dad!" exclamation was just too funny. Jacob actually going "not yet" even funnier as he never told Jack to back off on it.
About Pete calling Sam up at the base? You know, I can understand why he did that. And just maybe there not being a continuity is exactly what was good about this. I can imagine Pete having trouble to spend time with Sam as she is always busy. So here she was on her off day, at the base again while she should have been somewhere else with Pete for their wedding. From the conversation later in the car, it's clear that it's not the first time that she doesn't show up on an appointment. Pete is trying to comprehend it (saving the world etc vs the mundane), but it gets old at this point. So knowing that she is not on duty, and her promising she'd show up, I can see him having enough of it and calling her at the base. It's just a matter of being fed up with it. So I guess it does work for me.
The house thing? Pete, boy, you need to learn a few things. Taking Sam to see the house and suggesting to buy it is good. Buying it without asking? Not so much. I think he's clinging though. He somewhere knows Sam isn't 100% with him (the whole calling her at the base shows that). Instead of backing off and giving her room however, he's being more needy. Yeah, that backfires.
The break up. That whole "she's expecting Pete to lash out like Jonas" thing? Don't make me laugh, please. Sam was expecting a response from Pete similar to Jack's. In a way, she wanted him to try and convince her not to do it, or at least give her a sign that he would be friends no matter what. Pete's lack of response, however, showed that he is not Jack. He wants Sam to be his wife, he does love her, but not on the unconditional terms that Jack is offering her. After all, this is television and Jack is her true love. Bit cheesy but the way it was all left unspoken worked for me.
Before I get to the good stuff. Let me just go into Kerry/Jack for a bit. I am highly amused how everyone seems to like her based on the 5 minutes she gets. I have no like, no dislike for her. Am pretty neutral except for the part where it squicks me that she has sex with Jack. Still, highly amused about the praise she's getting while people are pointing fingers at Pete. Am however grateful that they didn't play the whole Kerry thing to get Sam to break up with Pete. Although, it did hurt Sam and made her panic for a moment.
Jack/Sam. Oh boy. Jack is being an ass. He's got the repressed down to a tee right now. Ha. The house scene? Ouch. He is wearing his poker face but judging by the way he's helplessly flailing the burned meat and looking anxiously at his house, he's freaking out. Because crap, Sam is standing right there and he wants to hear what she says but there's a woman right inside his house who might screw this all up. I think he's also scared that she will change her mind again and go ahead with the wedding. After so many years, it's not easy to actually accept it.
So Jacob and Kerry are telling them both to screw (or at least find a way around) the regs. See, fanfic all over. In Jacob's case, I get it. I loved it. He wants to die knowing she will be alright, that she will be happy. That whole scene was just so beautifully played. Kerry and Jack? Dude, I just don't know what to think about it. I guess someone needs to kick Jack's ass and make him stop angsting.
OMG, the infirmary scene. That is just perfect. It's so them. It's gentle and unspoken. Jack offering his friendship and more to Sam, not rushing it, just opening up doors. That "always" says it all. And Sam holding his hand and stroking it with her thumb. Dead of squee indeed. So beautfully done. The ending is cute and made me wonder if I was reading Julie!fic. I swear she bribed TPTB.
Now, one more thing. THEY KILLED DAD! AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Frack, I knew something was up in Reckoning. I was happy to ignore the signs, though, as I didn't want them to die. Jacob dying with Selmak seems right. I can see him refusing to let Selmak leave him, wanting to hold on to her. He seemed at peace with it all. It wasn't like four years ago, he was ready now. Only, he really did want to see Sam be happy. The moments between Sam and Jacob were just great. God, I love Jacob so much. Why did they do that? *wails*
Threads felt like fanfic. Seriously, every little bit felt familiar. I wish they didn't drop the Sam feeling awkward about Pete thing on us out of nowhere. Some sort of continuity would have been nice. Then again, that would have just been fuel for the stalker crazies amongst us. Either way, here are some thoughts on the Sam/Pete plot in the episode.
It felt awkward, like TPTB taking a piss at him. On the other side, I'm grateful they didn't make a whole tantrum out of the break up. Pete didn't stand a chance when he met Jacob. The "dad!" exclamation was just too funny. Jacob actually going "not yet" even funnier as he never told Jack to back off on it.
About Pete calling Sam up at the base? You know, I can understand why he did that. And just maybe there not being a continuity is exactly what was good about this. I can imagine Pete having trouble to spend time with Sam as she is always busy. So here she was on her off day, at the base again while she should have been somewhere else with Pete for their wedding. From the conversation later in the car, it's clear that it's not the first time that she doesn't show up on an appointment. Pete is trying to comprehend it (saving the world etc vs the mundane), but it gets old at this point. So knowing that she is not on duty, and her promising she'd show up, I can see him having enough of it and calling her at the base. It's just a matter of being fed up with it. So I guess it does work for me.
The house thing? Pete, boy, you need to learn a few things. Taking Sam to see the house and suggesting to buy it is good. Buying it without asking? Not so much. I think he's clinging though. He somewhere knows Sam isn't 100% with him (the whole calling her at the base shows that). Instead of backing off and giving her room however, he's being more needy. Yeah, that backfires.
The break up. That whole "she's expecting Pete to lash out like Jonas" thing? Don't make me laugh, please. Sam was expecting a response from Pete similar to Jack's. In a way, she wanted him to try and convince her not to do it, or at least give her a sign that he would be friends no matter what. Pete's lack of response, however, showed that he is not Jack. He wants Sam to be his wife, he does love her, but not on the unconditional terms that Jack is offering her. After all, this is television and Jack is her true love. Bit cheesy but the way it was all left unspoken worked for me.
Before I get to the good stuff. Let me just go into Kerry/Jack for a bit. I am highly amused how everyone seems to like her based on the 5 minutes she gets. I have no like, no dislike for her. Am pretty neutral except for the part where it squicks me that she has sex with Jack. Still, highly amused about the praise she's getting while people are pointing fingers at Pete. Am however grateful that they didn't play the whole Kerry thing to get Sam to break up with Pete. Although, it did hurt Sam and made her panic for a moment.
Jack/Sam. Oh boy. Jack is being an ass. He's got the repressed down to a tee right now. Ha. The house scene? Ouch. He is wearing his poker face but judging by the way he's helplessly flailing the burned meat and looking anxiously at his house, he's freaking out. Because crap, Sam is standing right there and he wants to hear what she says but there's a woman right inside his house who might screw this all up. I think he's also scared that she will change her mind again and go ahead with the wedding. After so many years, it's not easy to actually accept it.
So Jacob and Kerry are telling them both to screw (or at least find a way around) the regs. See, fanfic all over. In Jacob's case, I get it. I loved it. He wants to die knowing she will be alright, that she will be happy. That whole scene was just so beautifully played. Kerry and Jack? Dude, I just don't know what to think about it. I guess someone needs to kick Jack's ass and make him stop angsting.
OMG, the infirmary scene. That is just perfect. It's so them. It's gentle and unspoken. Jack offering his friendship and more to Sam, not rushing it, just opening up doors. That "always" says it all. And Sam holding his hand and stroking it with her thumb. Dead of squee indeed. So beautfully done. The ending is cute and made me wonder if I was reading Julie!fic. I swear she bribed TPTB.
Now, one more thing. THEY KILLED DAD! AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Frack, I knew something was up in Reckoning. I was happy to ignore the signs, though, as I didn't want them to die. Jacob dying with Selmak seems right. I can see him refusing to let Selmak leave him, wanting to hold on to her. He seemed at peace with it all. It wasn't like four years ago, he was ready now. Only, he really did want to see Sam be happy. The moments between Sam and Jacob were just great. God, I love Jacob so much. Why did they do that? *wails*
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Date: 2005-02-12 01:23 pm (UTC)And also (this bugs me) Jacob and Selmak? 6 years ago. Not 4. Why the hell they spent the whole of threads saying 4 years I don't know!
Pete, I just felt sorry for and I wish they'd shown Sam's anxiety before Threads as it did come from no where.
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Date: 2005-02-12 01:29 pm (UTC)Threads, for me, was pretty good. I liked the whole way it panned out, but Jacob's death = unneccesary *wails*
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Date: 2005-02-12 02:07 pm (UTC)I am really enjoying my deadness-of-squeeness.
I am officially using this icon in this conversation all over just to go "nyah" at the fact that I have (as yet) absolutely NO NEED to add frames to it from this.
*happysigh*
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Date: 2005-02-12 03:10 pm (UTC)Dude, I want Dad back! Like now! *sobs*
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Date: 2005-02-12 03:15 pm (UTC)Yeah, that was my one issue with it all. It did sorta fall out of the sky. We do know she was unsure about whether or not to accept his proposal but after that all seems fine and dandy. While I do appreciate them not turning Pete into some sort of stalker, Sam's doubts (while there) were not portrayed enough. Then again, maybe it's just another point where we have to fill in the blanks. Pete's comment and behaviour seems to suggest it's not a new thing. Sure, I have always seen a form of reluctance in the whole relationship. Maybe I wasn't projecting after all?
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Date: 2005-02-12 03:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-12 05:37 pm (UTC)A couple episodes back I had already been thinking Sam was avoiding Pete, probably not intentionally. Had considered even writing a fic about it. I may still. On the surface it was innocent enough - Sam mentioned she had no plans for the weekend but was hanging out at the SGC. That sent up a red flag to me - she should have probably been doing wedding stuff or something with Pete. Of course, that was WAY subtle. Probably would have been better to have a little more leading up to it.
Am however grateful that they didn't play the whole Kerry thing to get Sam to break up with Pete.
Yeah, Sam and Pete had their own issues.
I am highly amused how everyone seems to like her based on the 5 minutes she gets.
She seemed nice and cute but pretty much there to fill the role of giving Jack a little ass kicking when it came to Sam. Meh. I'm just glad they had an adult breakup and none of this crying/threatening/holding-a-knife-up-to-Sam's-throat shit. I think I liked her more for the things they didn't do to her character than did.
OMG, the infirmary scene. That is just perfect. It's so them. It's gentle and unspoken. Jack offering his friendship and more to Sam, not rushing it, just opening up doors.
YUP. They're not going to be falling into bed anytime soon. This is just a beginning.
Now, one more thing. THEY KILLED DAD! AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
WAH. :(
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Date: 2005-02-12 06:45 pm (UTC)You know, I think that's really the biggest failing of Threads. It was such a slegehammer of loose-end tying up,as far as the ship is concerned that any an all previous subtlety leading up to it was lost in the big, obvious cliches. Because I think you're right - we have had evidence of Sam's anxiety (how she handled the proposal, that bit you mentioned above). But then you compare those subtle moments to what happened in Threads, and they're overwhelmed.
And it was that much more overwhelming because that was so much of what the episode was about. It wasn't a minor plot or character point. The episode was about the resolution. And that's so not what we're used to.
Like Chimera, Threads needed to be a 2 or 3 episode story.
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Date: 2005-02-12 06:57 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's true. And this *was* a big sledgehammer of loose-end tying up. They got it all, man.
And it was that much more overwhelming because that was so much of what the episode was about. It wasn't a minor plot or character point. The episode was about the resolution. And that's so not what we're used to.
Yep. This should have been drawn out over several years. ;)
Like Chimera, Threads needed to be a 2 or 3 episode story.
I didn't feel that about Chimera (or maybe it's just the thought of seeing Fugly Dress Redux for an extended period of time), but Threads definitely could have been.
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Date: 2005-02-12 07:12 pm (UTC)*nods* That struck me too, it was in Citizen Joe. I think I even mentioned it in my response to the ep. But the whole episode is just odd so I wasn't sure how to take that little bit. In hindsight, perhaps it is an indicator. I'm all in favour of you writing a fic about it *g*
I'm just glad they had an adult breakup and none of this crying/threatening/holding-a-knife-up-to-Sam's-throat shit. I think I liked her more for the things they didn't do to her character than did.
*giggles* It's odd how relieved we seem to be that TPTB didn't go badfic on us ;o) But I agree.
They're not going to be falling into bed anytime soon. This is just a beginning.
But soon enough right? Like before the end of the series? *looks hopeful*
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Date: 2005-02-12 08:04 pm (UTC)It's mostly written, but I have some problems with it. :-\
*giggles* It's odd how relieved we seem to be that TPTB didn't go badfic on us ;o) But I agree.
I think we've all read way too many "the other man/woman" fics.
But soon enough right? Like before the end of the series? *looks hopeful*
By series do you mean this season? Or the whole show? I'd be surprised if anything happened this season. Maybe, but it'd be damn quick considering they're so frickin' bad with their emotions around each other.
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Date: 2005-02-12 08:12 pm (UTC)Get Julie and Karen on it?
I think I meant season. Oddly enough my mind is kinda seeing this season as the end of the series. I think it has to do with the cast spoilers for S9. But yeah, it would be very soon. Then again, if they actually have time to go up to the cabin. And how long can you keep staying off each other anyway? I think I need to go read some more smut...
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Date: 2005-02-12 08:17 pm (UTC)Yeah. I'm afraid I have two stories going on but have no desire to write them individually.
I think I meant season. Oddly enough my mind is kinda seeing this season as the end of the series. I think it has to do with the cast spoilers for S9. But yeah, it would be very soon. Then again, if they actually have time to go up to the cabin. And how long can you keep staying off each other anyway? I think I need to go read some more smut...
HA! Well, the still do have that regulation thing. Until Jack leaves, they're stuck with that.
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Date: 2005-02-12 10:21 pm (UTC)Hmmmmmmm *kicks Jack out of the AF*
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Date: 2005-02-12 11:37 pm (UTC)He *really was*. Glad I'm not the only one who saw that and was like...hrm, why is Bra'tac eyeing Daniel like a T-Bone steak?
It felt awkward, like TPTB taking a piss at him. On the other side, I'm grateful they didn't make a whole tantrum out of the break up. Pete didn't stand a chance when he met Jacob.
I just felt that he was suddenly as dumb as every bad fanfic out there had tried to make him over the past year. It made me like Sam less for nearly marrying the bozo who was bumbling around on screen.
He wants Sam to be his wife, he does love her, but not on the unconditional terms that Jack is offering her. After all, this is television and Jack is her true love. Bit cheesy but the way it was all left unspoken worked for me.
It was cheesey, but yet I still loved it. There's something wrong with the fact that I enoyed watching him be crushed into the dirt and Sam being relatively untouched by it all. A feeling of particular "heh" that I can't define. I think I'm meaner than I thought I was.
I am highly amused how everyone seems to like her based on the 5 minutes she gets. I have no like, no dislike for her. Am pretty neutral except for the part where it squicks me that she has sex with Jack. Still, highly amused about the praise she's getting while people are pointing fingers at Pete. Am however grateful that they didn't play the whole Kerry thing to get Sam to break up with Pete. Although, it did hurt Sam and made her panic for a moment.
I really have no feelings on her strongly other than thank god she wasn't around *too* much and I didn't hate her as much as I was prepared to. Though yes, it does squick me out that she slept with Jack. Which I know isn't fair, but it's what it is. I don't like it, not at all. Grr... But besides that, she was just sort of...there. And cute, in a look at the convenient plot-device kind of way.
Jack/Sam. Oh boy. Jack is being an ass. He's got the repressed down to a tee right now. Ha. The house scene? Ouch. He is wearing his poker face but judging by the way he's helplessly flailing the burned meat and looking anxiously at his house, he's freaking out. Because crap, Sam is standing right there and he wants to hear what she says but there's a woman right inside his house who might screw this all up. I think he's also scared that she will change her mind again and go ahead with the wedding. After so many years, it's not easy to actually accept it.
Totally with you on this. He looks like he really, really wants to know what she's going to say and wants to do the cheesey get together thing but damnit, he's got a girl in the house but Sam is nearly enough to make him forget that and I don't know. It was cute, in a flustered Ican'tbelievethisishappeningNOW kind of way.
The infirmary scene and the end made the rest all worth it, even the idea that he slept with Kerry. (bah.) So cute and sweet and squee.
The moments between Sam and Jacob were just great. God, I love Jacob so much. Why did they do that? *wails*
They were and they did and I'm not sure I can forgive TPTB quite yet. So sad. *runs off to cuddle her own daddy close*
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Date: 2005-02-13 01:09 am (UTC)Sadly, I agree with the first part. Latter, not gonna happen. NOTHING will make me like Sam less.
The infirmary scene and the end made the rest all worth it, even the idea that he slept with Kerry. (bah.) So cute and sweet and squee.
Hee! My thoughts exactly! *g*
I want my Jacob back! *scoffs*
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Date: 2005-02-13 03:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-13 03:48 am (UTC)And I'm so weird, the only time I didn't get squicked out when ANYONE in SG-1 had sex, was when Teal'c got some. So weird.
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Date: 2005-02-13 04:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-13 11:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-13 11:26 am (UTC)Hee hee. I'm not sure if I would call it the best fanfic though, but it does has some of my new favourite moments.
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Date: 2005-02-13 05:34 pm (UTC)Now I can say what I deleted before (gah!). Supposedly, CJ was scheduled to air after Threads, but apparently Sky rescheduled so they could make room for the 90-minute version of Threads. If you slide CJ in after Threads, the opening fits (Kerry is still on the committee, Sam and Jack have had a talk about her, and he would bring up her name in a brushed-over way). In fact it fits very nicely and truly is about Sam kinda "hiding" in a corner to talk to him and him inviting her over over for an omelet.
So even if the scheduling thing weren't true, that's how I've arranged it in my head ... and they're so cute in that scene (!). :^)
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Date: 2005-02-13 05:39 pm (UTC)And an incredibly beautiful and right beginning for them. (happy sigh)
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Date: 2005-02-13 05:45 pm (UTC)Agreed. I've dubbed S9+ as SG-1 AU Adventures and Other Faery Tales. ;^)
And how long can you keep staying off each other anyway?
Ha! So true. And Jack at the end of Threads? One satisfied-lookin' guy. So at least some heavy petting, right?
(Hmmm ... I still can't write porn, but I've been working on my near-porn. Maybe I can do heavy petting. -g-)
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Date: 2005-02-13 05:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-13 06:22 pm (UTC)*bounces around squeeing* Their first date!
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Date: 2005-02-13 06:38 pm (UTC)[catches the fever and starts bouncing and squeeing all over again]
Whee!
- Tammy (who is too lazy to log back into LJ for this one comment before hitting the road)
I should have logged in ... it wouldn't have taken any longer than switching to Annonymous and then proving I was human. Ha!
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Date: 2005-02-13 06:56 pm (UTC)